Jessica Burbank and Amber Duke discuss Harvard University’s decision to bring back standardized testing as part of admissions. #Harvard
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"When they've demonstrated the same ability, the data doesn't show that there are more qualified Asians than blacks"
The girl in green said this and she went to an Ivy League school. Unbelievable.
When you take a higher proportion of blacks from the top decile as you do Asians, that is discrimination.
Asians do not all come from wealthy backgrounds. They've proven to do well academically despite coming from disadvantaged backgrounds. Blacks do poorly because they don't have resources is false.
Let the top universities pick the top students to lead the country ahead. If we need more Asians to compete with China in STEM field, simply admin as many Asians who can perform that task as you can. University admission isn’t the right tool to solve poverty and resource allocation problems—that’s the job of the gov, individual community, individual family to ensure all children have the same opportunities to be college ready.
I know to “next” any video with Jessica Burbank. She is as bad faith as the Majority Report
I’ll find this story somewhere else.
What's the obsession on the left with institutions "looking" like the outside world? What does that even mean? There's plenty of organizations that don't have the demographic breakdown ratios of society that they don't complain about. Aka the NBA. There's very few if any asians or latinos in the NBA.
I normally disagree with Amber but her point on the admissions process looking at skin instead of class is very correct. Africans are not Black Americans and often do not consider themselves black Americans like Black Americans do. So often in these schools they will admit many African students and claim they are admitting Black Americans.
Someone tell me WHY does an Ivy League campus NEED to “Look Like” the general population?? AA students tend to (almost completely) keep to their own on campus (as do some others)….So, WHAT is the “benefit” to the majority student body—rarely seeing/hearing from these minorities?
Veteran teacher here along with my wife who graduated from Brown. The lowering standards is based upon the liberal policies that have gotten out of hand. I taught at a top school in Connecticut and I was told: you can't give tests or homework…if a kid had a C or lower you had to call home and explain the grade…cheating is rampant and you are not supported when you try to address that or other poor behaviors…the abuse I received from parents and kids is off the charts (and I worked restaurant, plumbing and landscaping gigs while I worked my way through college so I am not immune from tough working environments)…students can do (almost) whatever they want…leave campus (I talked at length about how security would report the incidents and the kids would not be disciplined at all). Other examples: minimum F (you can't give below a 50 even if the kid does not turn anything in…or turns in profanity), test retakes (another school)….can't discipline minority students (another school), my school even got rid of midterms and finals because it was such a hassle dealing with the parents (I was not in favor of that). At one school I taught, the 50% percentile of the graduating class was a 4.0. ETC… If you can manage it send your kids to a private, religious or home school (like we do) – do it.
Old news. These studies are merely reinforcing the conclusions of earlier ones: standardized tests are the best predictor of college success. The only wrinkle here is the underlining of the fact that this applies to poor students just as much as anyone else. I could have told you that 40 years ago, when the whole AA issue was coming to the fore.
Grades are bad because they can’t boot troublemakers out like they used to.
A kid has to do something horrible to get booted out.
As someone who worked in Post-Secondary Administration for over 15 years, there is so much deflection and obfuscation going on here.
Yes, the Colleges are trying to hide their use of policies to discriminate. But what most people are missing is that these policies are the result of government initiatives worded badly. The schools are not trying to be reflective, they are trying to appease the government and select groups to keep their money flowing.
Second, not all standardized testing is the same. Some just test what amounts to the ability to memorize some facts. This greatly favors people able to afford tutors and take as many high-performing classes (even if they do badly). Others test comprehension of those facts. This is less favorable to the quantity of teaching and more toward the quality of learning. It still favors better school districts.
Third, this needs to be addressed at the primary level. At the collegiate level, it needs to be "the most qualified". It does not need to be the time to accept people through exception that are ultimately unqualified and doomed to failure. We need to overhaul primary and secondary education systems so more of those underprivileged are the best qualified. I actually have had a plan that is doable and cheaper than the current system, but is ignored because I am not a politician and it guts education administration that would be rendered unnecessary. But that is a different post.
The bottom line is Harvard is a private university. They can admit whoever they choose.
God forbid we just try to have an honest meritocracy
Pumping money into school system is a waste of time for decades New Jersey has been pumping money into Newark the problem there is not the lack of money it's a lack of community unless you back up what the schools are teaching it'll never work you can't teach your children y'all and expect them to be a vice president
The SAT is an excellent test. It does an excellent job rating chances of post-secondary success. It's designed to identify underprivileged students who can keep up with the work at highly demanding institutions. It's good at doing this.
Test scores have always been found to be the best predictor of college success in the peer reviewed literature!!
Jessica starts by quoting the Economic Policy Institute a left leanings organization. Bad data.
Classic left wing/ right wing debate: Amber makes crisp arguments based on logic and facts. Jessica constantly changes the topic, focuses on fringe cases and relies on emotion and obfuscation.
Ivy League schools getting rid of SATs was one of the dumbest decisions ever made. There were already hundreds of studies showing that. No better proof that elite schools have prioritized their woke religion over facts and merit and are destroying the reputations of themselves and of their formerly respected institutions.
Tests for the intelligent
DEI for the rest
The ACT is the one metric you can actually trust as an admissions agent, otherwise it's all just subject to BS.
Too late.
Standardized testing is a bias test that must be eliminated. Give all students the opportunity to enroll be admitted and find out if they can endure and succeed because the playing field is equal to all either to succeed or fail.